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Zero1030

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Literally billions of doses administered and no huge issues how people can think they're exterminating everyone I'll never know.

Oddball_bfi

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You just watch! They'll all die! All of 'em! \s

Insight42

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Certainly. Every person vaxxed will eventually die.

It's just that they're taking their sweet ass time about it. Check back in like 5-8 decades.

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Because they thought they were right and, now that mountains of evidence continue to pile up against them, they’re digging in deeper. They’d rather act insane and put themselves and everyone they know at risk than admit they’re wrong.

TheUsher

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It's always sunny put it best with this level of thinking

"I won't change my mind, because I don't have to because I'm an American. I Won't Change My Mind on anything regardless of the facts set out before me. I'm Dug In... And I'll Never Change."

SnakeHelah

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It has nothing to do with being x nationality though.

The anti-vaxx phenomenon is appearing all over the world, and has been even before covid.

The problem is that more often than not (at least from what I've seen from anti-vaxxer protests in my country) these people are from more vulnerable parts of society.

I've noticed that the same anti-vaxxer logic people hold homophobic, transphobic, etc. beliefs (not necessarily though).

The biggest factor though is probably the push to mandate and just the general push towards the vaccines. This really gets people up into arms, because, well, the potential for harm is there. And since some of these people already hold conspiracy type beliefs, it's really easy to get into these narratives.

Still, usually the antimaskers and antivaxxers play the victims. They imply that they're being persecuted and discriminated against for their choices. In reality, they've never experienced real discrimination or persecution.

jppianoguy

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bUt VaErS sAyS....

And: my uncle's cousin's sister's college roommate died after getting the vaccine so ..

monkeying_around369

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Ugh the VAERS comments really piss me off. Not a single one of those chuckleheads knows what the hell VAERS is.

thatguytony

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I love putting them in their place with that.

Muroid

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Muroid

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Back in the Spring, I was hearing all about how 50,000 people had died from the vaccine or how Bob’s cousin’s great-aunt got the vaccine and then died a month later.

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Back in the Spring, I was hearing all about how 500,000 people had died from the covid or how Bob's cousin's great-aunt got the covid and then died a month later.

SignedTheWrongForm

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It's pretty well known psychology phenomenon when presented with evidence presented counter to their beliefs, many people dig their heels in.

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Yeah, seriously.

They were all up in arms about "1% mortality virus, it's just the flu, why are we shutting down everything over a 1% mortality rate virus".....and now they're turning around and screeching that a 0.002% mortality rate vaccine is super dangerous and specifically designed to kill everyone.

If the government is trying to kill everyone, they're doing a spectacularly bad job of it.

Thebluefairie

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8 chan is trolling people that is the only thing that I can come up with.

conquer69

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Narcissism and delusion. Fatal when combined.

jerquee

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jerquee

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April 7, 2021 -- COVID-19 increases the risk of developing erectile dysfunction (ED) by nearly six times, according to data from the first study to investigate the association between ED and COVID-19 in young men in a real-life setting. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210407/erectile-dysfunction-risk-6-times-higher-in-men-with-covid

labpadre-lurker

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Makes sense seeing covid has been considered a vascular desease.

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Darwin Award goes to: the antivax movement!

Edit: you don’t get the Darwin Award for dying, you get the award for reducing your reproductive fitness.

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These idiots will be filling up hospitals, and people with serious illnesses won't get a bed. Since it us easier for the unvaccinated to get covid, and it will take longer for them to recover, there is a greater chance for mutations to take place. Eventually these variants will render current immunizations useless (see Mu variant, as an example).

AKashehole

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Are you seeing the news stories about hospitals across the country being full of unvaccinated people and thinking “so what”? Literally every ICU bed in Alabama is full and they’re turning people away. Washington is taking in Idaho’s patients. I care because I care about things that are happening to other people, not just myself.

lilsouthern228

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My point exactly. These vaccines over the years have only created a world where there are so many people that we can’t even care for ourselves properly. So how is vaccinating ourselves against everything so now there are too many people for the health care systems to support the right answer?

orHeWasALadyIfYouAre

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You couldn't be more dense. Vaccination decrease the rate of hospitalizations drastically. Recent report of something like 1-2% of hospitalization are vaccinated.

lilsouthern228

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I’m the dense one? What happens when everyone is vaccinated and we all live and the next thing comes along to wipe us out and we can’t get vaccinated for that? Hospitals will be even more overrun cause everyone survived covid. Look at the bigger picture here buddy. Everything isn’t about today, right now. It’s about creating a society that can be sustained. We cannot currently sustain ourselves at the rate at which we are going.

orHeWasALadyIfYouAre

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12 days ago

Yes I agree sustainability is an issue, but you are advocating for a culling of the human population. There are more ways to invest in sustainability then to try and convince people online to just let people die from a mostly preventable illness. You sound like a comically generic comic book villain.

AKashehole

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Oh god, nevermind.

HatchSmelter

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You're saying that we should reduce the population? That the virus is good because it will kill more people?

TechyDad

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People who get COVID after vaccination tend to get milder cases. They need hospitalization much less frequently and die extremely rarely. Meanwhile, the unvaccinated aren't just affecting themselves. They're spreading the virus more, allowing it to mutate, and filling up hospital beds so much that other people can't get treatment.

For an example, look at the story of the man suffering a heart attack who died after 40+ hospitals turned him away because they were full. He should have been able to be treated and would have survived. Unfortunately, he died because enough unvaccinated people flooded the local hospitals to the point that they couldn't handle a single heart attack patient.

lilsouthern228

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Thank you for professionally answering my question with out telling me I should die.

runsnotenough

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12 days ago

Who in the hell is “taking on Mother Nature the natural way”? How many things do you think you’re putting into your body and using every single day that aren’t purely natural?

Sure, if you grow your own food, raise your own livestock, never go to the doctor, never take headache medicine, don’t use toothpaste, use smoke signals to communicate, make your own soap, walk to work, by all means don’t take the “unnatural” vaccine.

But this also means, do not go to the hospital if you get covid. Ventilators are not natural. ICU beds are not natural. Ivermectin, antibodies, prednisone… all not “natural”. And you’re taking the place of someone who may have an actual health condition that matters.

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Also, getting covid can give you erectile disfunction.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210407/erectile-dysfunction-risk-6-times-higher-in-men-with-covid

maybe they can't get it up to begin with (well, guys that is).

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xTheManUpstairs

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This is one of the first things they test in drug design. We know people that didn’t get the covid vaccine because they thought it would harm their fertility. Didn’t listen

*source wife works in drug design

pizzapartypantsparty

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I heard that you have to be using birth control to take part in the studies. How come they are referencing a study from this month if there is already a study to show this?

UrbanGhost114

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12 days ago

One of the major tenets of Science that makes it Science is consensus (repeatable results).

Things are studied multiple times to develop consensus.

A "Study" was done on vaccinations that "showed a link to autism" which turned out to be a fraudulent study meant to discredit a certain specific vaccine, so that another company could sell their own version, not to discredit vaccines, and now too many people take this ONE study, that turned out to be fraudulent, and use it as a basis for fear against vaccines, despite several studies showing quite the opposite.

The science becomes accepted, only when there is consensus. There will be (and should be) dozens of duplicate studies.

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Selection pressure at work!

Lvl100Glurak

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i wonder how many studies like this are necessary until people actually accept it as a fact. it only needs one "influencer" on instagram or wherever to spread dumb fear, but so much work to dissolve those fears.

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...well, if you are true to yourself, you just admitted it takes you like 1-2 studies to blindly believe one side or the other. hesistant people actually need more studies to be convinced - and you think they are the stupid ones.

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If only. My anti vax SIL is pregnant and her and her husband both had COVID. Unfortunately I doubt this is common enough to actually thin any gene pools.

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Is probably in the long term data databank

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VAERS. It literally stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system. It’s entire purpose is to inspire further investigation. There’s been several studies that have examined this myth and found it to be just that. Including the one you’re commenting on but apparently didn’t read. The methods section generally covers where the data came from.

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I don’t know about that but let’s not make assumptions about a system you’ve admitted you don’t know anything about. VAERS is open source btw. Anyone can make an entry including anti-vaxxers. That’s why you should immediately disregard anyone who tries to use VAERS as evidence of the vaccines not being safe. It’s the beginning of an investigation not the end of one.

Also, no medical intervention is 100% safe. There will always be an unlucky few who react poorly. Likely they wouldn’t have survived COVID either. Also worth noting for any that scroll this far that you could be entirely making that up.

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So, presumably we can disregard anyone who tries to use VAERS as evidence of the vaccines being safe?

monkeying_around369

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Uh what? That would be incorrect to do but nobody is doing that. There’s plenty of research on their safety. You should definitely disregard anyone who represents VAERS as anything but a suppository of POSSIBLE adverse reactions. It’s not intended to inform the public. It’s intended to provide healthcare providers a way to report any adverse event that occurs after a vaccine for further investigation. It’s a surveillance system. That’s it.

WileEWeeble

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"personally witnessing multiple vaccinated deaths"

What do you mean? Vaccinated people catching covid and dying or (supposedly) people dying as a "result" of taking the vaccine? If its the latter, how did you determine that?

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21 People got vaccinated "caught covid" and died. Not registered as possible vaccine side effect. One aunt who got vaccinated died of heart problems (Not because of the vaccine according to family, but again not even getting considered)

turbo2world

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show me the column for women having period dysfunction. Because i know of a few and it can't be reported as there is nowhere to put that info.

monkeying_around369

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I’m not sure what “column” you’re talking about but there’s a box on the pdf form you submit where you can write in anything you want.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/uploadFile/index.jsp

Also for anyone considering making a false report, it’s a federal offense punishable with possible jail time so think carefully before you do so.

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shocking i tell you shocking!

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Fear of the vaccine? Yes.

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The very first bit under the title states that study has not been peer reviewed and should not be used for clinical guidance.

Also worth noting they apparently only looked at the Pfizer vaccine so their central conclusion is not really correct.

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That study didn’t compare unvaccinated and vaccinated people. It’s strictly talking about immune response post infection up to 8 months out.

“Our study evaluates COVID-19 patients only up to 8 months and requires models to estimate immune response half-lives thereafter.”

It doesn’t mention vaccines at all. The safest bet is still to get vaccinated whether you’ve had COVID or not. It’s simply not worth the risk. No doubt immunity is conferred from previous infection but why take the risk?

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From your own link: "Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

So no. They do say previously infected are more resistant, but if you get vaxxed on top, you're even better off.

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so what you are saying is that this is sort of a lose/win in that anti vaxxers will be less able to reproduce and indoctrinate their children into their beliefs?