subreddit:

/r/politics

40.5k

all 1189 comments

AutoModerator [M]

[score hidden]

12 days ago

stickied comment

AutoModerator [M]

[score hidden]

12 days ago

stickied comment

As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion.

In general, be courteous to others. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas, don't attack people. Personal insults, shill or troll accusations, hate speech, any suggestion or support of harm, violence, or death, and other rule violations can result in a permanent ban.

If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.

For those who have questions regarding any media outlets being posted on this subreddit, please click here to review our details as to our approved domains list and outlet criteria.


I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

LearningRainbows

-5 points

12 days ago

Knock knock

Who's there?

the police.

-this ain't fun no more, pro trump police

Sarcasm.

Tylomin

581 points

12 days ago

Tylomin

581 points

12 days ago

Surprised this wasn't already a thing, but good. Although it's been stated a bunch, 5 seconds after knocking raids aren't much better.

zuzg

110 points

12 days ago

zuzg

110 points

12 days ago

“Building trust and confidence between law enforcement and the public we serve is central to our mission at the Justice Department,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement.

Too little too late.

Callinon

59 points

12 days ago

Callinon

59 points

12 days ago

So... should they NOT do this?

Elcor05

13 points

12 days ago

Elcor05

13 points

12 days ago

No they should do it and not expect that everything is fixed and to be praised for it.

A_Sexual_Tyrannosaur

0 points

12 days ago

ok

Dion615

82 points

12 days ago

Dion615

82 points

12 days ago

It's just one step of what is likely a larger plan. They don't get to choose the timing; this is where we are now.

Finaldeath

72 points

12 days ago

Finaldeath

America

72 points

12 days ago

"Oh no he is coming at us, SHOOT!!!"

HumanChicken

69 points

12 days ago

“He’s approaching the door we knocked on! I feel threatened!”

DotaTVEnthusiast

29 points

12 days ago

pan to a teen aged black male, naked expect for his boxer shorts, bleeding out and groaning on the floor

"Hey Capt. don't you reckon this guy's 30 years shy of 50?"

"Well I'll be- junior, go get the crack"

EricLightscythe

12 points

12 days ago

Open and shut case Johnson

deacon1214

7 points

12 days ago

It's all situational. If you have someone who is likely to fight law enforcement it's not a great idea to give them time to arm themselves and barricade. I agree it's a practice that has been horribly overused to prevent spoliation of evidence in drug cases but if you are stacking up on the door of a suspected extremist with a couple of hundred guns inside the last thing you want to do is bang on the door for five minutes while he puts his armor on and loads up a rifle.

AtraposJM

78 points

12 days ago

Not much better but at least they knock and announce they are law enforcement as opposed to just breaking in and scaring the fuck out of someone who might a gun for intruders.

Kodridge

-3 points

12 days ago

Kodridge

-3 points

12 days ago

Banning chokeholds is actually stupid. Change my mind. The other is great news though

FriendlyDespot

2 points

12 days ago

Why do you think that it's stupid?

DuelingPushkin

2 points

12 days ago

Because grappling and chokes are a much less violent and damaging way of restraining someone than strikes or other submissions like armlocks which if the person continues to resist or tries to fight out of it will result in lasting damage like torn ligaments or broken bones.

The issue is malicious officers holding chokes for minutes on end not the chokes themselvez

ryumast3r

10 points

12 days ago

Maybe you should justify why a technique that is often misused, and used improperly and dangerously should be allowed?

We shouldn't have to justify banning things from police, they should have to justify their use. For example: "why should we allow no-knock raids" vs. "Why should no-knock raids be banned".

Lamp0blanket

6 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds *that are done correctly* are actually an incredibly effective way to restrain and subdue someone, without causing any lasting (or even temporary for that matter) harm to the suspect.

We need to give police some basic instruction in BJJ and Judo so that they know what they're doing and can restrain suspects easily, rather than having a pathetic scuffle in which the cop loses the upper hand and is forced to draw their weapon.

Vyar

1 points

12 days ago

Vyar

New Jersey

1 points

12 days ago

Even if they were instructed in how to properly perform a chokehold in the way you describe, that wouldn't necessarily stop them from performing it improperly. I think the error here is in assuming that these cops are performing chokeholds incorrectly because they don't know any better. As we saw with Derek Chauvin and countless other cops, their expectation is that they should feel free to kill anyone they wish to, without consequences. Bad cops enjoy wielding absolute power over life and death. They like being able to kill people without any accountability. If the people in charge thought this was wrong, bad cops would get fired.

slayer_steve_m

26 points

12 days ago

slayer_steve_m

America

26 points

12 days ago

Oh hell. I thought the title said "...bans cuckolds...". Whole new meaning to the story now...

jmatthews2088

23 points

12 days ago

jmatthews2088

Colorado

23 points

12 days ago

Roger Stone was sweating for a second.

BulkyHotel9790

12 points

12 days ago

That coke fiend is sweating 24/7

AttorneyatRaw22

3 points

12 days ago

Boy I would have been pissed

ScroogeMcDust

5 points

12 days ago

ScroogeMcDust

Illinois

5 points

12 days ago

On or off?

BelAirGhetto

7 points

12 days ago

Finally!

TrackFittyTwo

5 points

12 days ago

Meanwhile, local cops can proceed as usual.

Dendad6972

-13 points

12 days ago

Dendad6972

-13 points

12 days ago

Wave of resignation on the horizon.

reslumina

19 points

12 days ago

Good.

FrostySecurity

17 points

12 days ago

FrostySecurity

Ohio

17 points

12 days ago

If an officer resigns because he can't put another human being in a chokehold or can't bust down another human being's door without knocking, they shouldn't have become an officer to begin with

Dendad6972

-4 points

12 days ago

You say that like it's a detriment instead of a selling point.

cable010

8 points

12 days ago

Its about damn time

fane1967

-2 points

12 days ago

fane1967

-2 points

12 days ago

Took us a while to do the obvious. Soon we will need laws to mandate breathing.

hoptothejam

2.5k points

12 days ago

hoptothejam

2.5k points

12 days ago

When was the last time someone was killed by a chokehold by a federal (not local) officer? Honest question, seems like it is always local cops.

ManchichiJumanji

1.3k points

12 days ago

Do DEA count as federal officers?

Local cops have the choking monopoly, but DEA might be involved in lots of the no knock raids.

jedre

628 points

12 days ago

jedre

628 points

12 days ago

DEA is federal law enforcement, yes.

Senator_TRUMP

267 points

12 days ago

And there isn't much of a difference between a no knock and raid with knocking.

TR8R2199

8 points

12 days ago

Knocking means they answer the door first right? They don’t just knock for fun and then bust the door in anyways. Also it would mean less property damage, no busted doors, broken windows, driving a riot tank through a wall

Senator_TRUMP

54 points

12 days ago

Absolutely not. Knocking is quite literally, a single knock before kicking the door in. This single knock is also between 3am-5am, when you are asleep.

Source, have experienced this. They knocked once, and then physically broke my door. They will not pay to repair your door even though they say they will.

TR8R2199

24 points

12 days ago

TR8R2199

24 points

12 days ago

Should be illegal. Sorry that happened to you, whether someone in your house was guilty or not, that’s like a punishment and until the suspect is convicted they should be treated as innocent unless there’s actual proof they are a danger

Senator_TRUMP

3 points

12 days ago

Yes, and this is actually the norm. I have only known a few that received a polite phone call informing them.

mithridateseupator

-5 points

12 days ago

I mean... still better than no knocks.

Senator_TRUMP

12 points

12 days ago

It isn't really. The knock is a fig-leaf. It is the difference between being told to drink poison, and being told to drink poison with a spoonful of sugar in it.

mithridateseupator

-3 points

12 days ago

I mean... some sugar is better than no sugar

nuko22

2 points

12 days ago

nuko22

2 points

12 days ago

No… Would you wake up to a single knock on your door at 3am? Most wouldn’t…

976chip

20 points

12 days ago

976chip

Washington

20 points

12 days ago

John Oliver did a piece on no knock raids a while back and I think he said that the difference is about 15 seconds before they bust in your door.

BobbysWorldWar2

18 points

12 days ago

In practice yes, but the difference is supposed to be in a regular raid, the police will surround the building and attempt to communicate with the occupants before busting in the door. Usually through a loudspeaker out front.

976chip

6 points

12 days ago

976chip

Washington

6 points

12 days ago

I think it depends on why they're there. I had one like you described in my neighborhood a couple weeks ago. I'm working and hear an engine idling for about 10 minutes. When it goes quiet I look out the window to see 4 SWAT guys getting out and cutting across my neighbor's lawn. Then on the next street over I hear the loudspeaker saying they have a warrant, for everyone to come out of the house, and name the guy who is under arrest. They were there for hours because they knew he was in there and he had no way to get past them. Search warrants are knock and announce or no knock depending on if they believe there's a chance that evidence could be destroyed. The window of time for knock and announce seems to be at the discretion of the cops serving the warrant.

chiliedogg

3 points

12 days ago

15 seconds of warning will keep me from meeting them with a shotgun, and is safer for everybody.

Hank_propane_Hill

5 points

12 days ago

Don’t they absolutely destroy the door? With a giant metal pole?

FourAM

10 points

12 days ago

FourAM

10 points

12 days ago

That depends on how they hit it and how strong the door is. The battering ram is meant to bust the latch open but if that doesn’t work the door takes all the force. Sometimes the hinges give away instead.

Yeah, sucks when they have the wrong address and you have to spend the next day without a door (I mean; if you survive 😬)

chiliedogg

9 points

12 days ago

I think they are supposed to announce themselves. The whole idea is that they warn you they're police before knocking down the door.

I'm never far from a firearm at home. We have hog issues and we're 30 minutes from the nearest gas station, so police response time is measured in eons.

If someone kicks in my door without announcing themselves I'm meeting them while armed. If they say they're police the gun will stay holstered and hidden until I know otherwise.

TDKChamber

3 points

12 days ago

Kinda, either way your doors coming done and they're going in whether you like it or not lol.

SevMiami

374 points

12 days ago

SevMiami

374 points

12 days ago

It comes the the Breonna Taylor incident. Cops got a warrant, broke down the door to surprise them and her man started firing thinking it was a home invasion. She died when police returned fire. Rand Paul proposed a Bill last year to ban same, but did not pass. Florida and Oregon banned these a while ago.

[deleted]

423 points

12 days ago*

[deleted]

423 points

12 days ago*

This whole instance makes me sad. I got a no-knock warrant against my house when I was 17...Woke up to a gun drawn on me. It was the wrong house and I hate to admit that I probably made it out alive because I was white. Still terrifying and VERY wrong.

meltingpine

312 points

12 days ago

meltingpine

Tennessee

312 points

12 days ago

It's amazing how low the evidentiary bar is to get these warrants considering how often it's not even the correct address. Like come on guys, how in the world could they possibly present enough evidence to merit this extreme procedure when they're not even correct about which house to go to?

[deleted]

97 points

12 days ago

[deleted]

97 points

12 days ago

One of the worst parts is how they then try to justify their actions, by searching the house. No...sorry, there isn't some random weapons cashe of illegal grow operation. You just messed up...admit it and stop trying to justify it

Difficult_Citizen

180 points

12 days ago

Difficult_Citizen

Oregon

180 points

12 days ago

I feel like I read somewhere that a lot of judges (particularly local) rarely even read the warrants in their entirety and just blindly sign them. Something to do with "too much paperwork crossing their desk" or something I think.

From_Deep_Space

45 points

12 days ago

From_Deep_Space

Oregon

45 points

12 days ago

Then it sounds like a simple ratio problem. We need either more judges or fewer warrants

50kent

31 points

12 days ago

50kent

Arizona

31 points

12 days ago

They don’t announce their presence in a no-knock raid. It could literally make a life or death difference, when you know it’s the cops and not some rando home invaders

rsta223

49 points

12 days ago

rsta223

Colorado

49 points

12 days ago

How do you know it's the cops though? It would be very easy for some random home invaders to knock once, then shout "police", then break in and shoot you.

It shouldn't just be no knock raids that are banned, all raids should be banned except for in exceptional circumstances (and every one should be reviewed afterwards by an independent oversight board). It should be extremely uncommon for police to break into someone's home, whether they knock first or not.

50kent

12 points

12 days ago

50kent

Arizona

12 points

12 days ago

I mean, I definitely agree all raids should be banned, but this is still tangible progress. It’s not perfect, you can poke a ton of holes in it with fringe what if’s like that, but no knock raids are particularly deadly. It’s a good thing the feds are stopping that shit

gozerthebuilder

31 points

12 days ago

gozerthebuilder

Colorado

31 points

12 days ago

DEA and ICE

goatqualify

6 points

12 days ago

Yes the dea falls under federal officers, so are the US Marshalls.

5ykes

29 points

12 days ago

5ykes

29 points

12 days ago

I'd ask ICE but I don't think they'd be very forthcoming about deaths of their detainees, don't think theyre justice department though.

UraniumKnight

8 points

12 days ago

You're right; ICE is under Homeland Security, not the DoJ.

Zantre

124 points

12 days ago

Zantre

124 points

12 days ago

Texas just banned chokeholds, if they can get that bill passed any state can.

atoolred

0 points

12 days ago

we won't our government is fucking crazy

NadirPointing

101 points

12 days ago

That's because roundhouse kicks are the Ranger's favorite way of subduing bad guys.

chillinmesoftly

13 points

12 days ago

actually, guns.

gramathy

20 points

12 days ago

gramathy

I voted

20 points

12 days ago

Did they actually ban chokeholds or did they just say "no chokeholds" with their fingers crossed behind their backs?

texag93

29 points

12 days ago

texag93

29 points

12 days ago

JohnBrown42069

17 points

12 days ago

Still doubtful it changes much. In my city, the police constantly violate their own policies.

texag93

19 points

12 days ago

texag93

19 points

12 days ago

Laws have more power than policies.

bigfootlives823

27 points

12 days ago

Yeah, if a cop breaks the law, you just call... ah damn

Zantre

2 points

12 days ago

Zantre

2 points

12 days ago

It's law now. However they enforce it is up to them.

breaddrinker

53 points

12 days ago

It is always local cops.

Feds are infinitely better trained, and you have much less chance of encountering one.

The local cops are the problem.

12-34

36 points

12 days ago

12-34

36 points

12 days ago

Feds are infinitely better trained

In general, yes, though the goons they sent to Portland were remarkably incompetent. Couldn't cuff properly, grenadiers not getting how the damn thing is meant to be used, arrests minus PC, lack of Miranda when performing custodial interrogation, etc.

When watching video of it I had "Yakety Sax" on loop in my mind.

ign_Drakina

44 points

12 days ago

Those were the correctional officers of the bureau of prisons. Not necessarily the most highly trained federal law enforcement officials clearly.

RandomLogicThough

29 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds are actually...really great, you just need to have an idea of wtf you're doing. Way easier to control someone with BJJ than piling on them and shit. Federally mandated judo/BJJ would help people a hell of a lot more...

JiubLives

10 points

12 days ago

How often do you need to train them to be proficient, though? Seems expensive. Everyone wants better (or no) police on the cheap.

RandomLogicThough

3 points

12 days ago

Well, each area could train up one or two people well and could train internally which would lower expense quite a lot - and making cops more able and less fearful seems pretty good. /Before I did BJJ I choked people out without killing anyone but to be fair wasn't life and death struggle

Lamp0blanket

15 points

12 days ago

a little bit goes a very long way with BJJ.

At my old gym it was common that who'd only been there a few months would be able to handle 90% of the new-comers off the street. Anyone who'd been there for a year almost never had trouble handling a newcomer (unless the newcomer had a strong wrestling background or something).

Once you get even a little bit of proficiency, you don't need to train very often to maintain what you've learned.

There's a lot of very basic things that a person can do when wrestling with someone, and it's almost not even fair when someone with even a little bit of experience goes up against someone with none.

JohnBrown42069

5 points

12 days ago

I mean we already send them ungodly amounts of money, constantly increasing funding for new training that goes nowhere.

DuelingPushkin

1 points

12 days ago

Even a few months of training can make someone significantly better

maxToTheJ

-8 points

12 days ago

This logic belongs in the same bin as “pitbulls aren’t violent they just need really responsible owners”

goomyman

2 points

12 days ago

goomyman

2 points

12 days ago

"you just need to have an idea of wtf you're doing" and this is the problem.

Also if you know wtf your doing i dont think you need choking.

RandomLogicThough

5 points

12 days ago

Yes, that is indeed the problem...hence the need for training instead of using way less effective, and more dangerous, techniques...as for the second part, uh, no, that makes no sense but it's also so vague you could argue it means a dozen different things so I'll just ignore it instead of trying to read your mind.

MixedGender

9 points

12 days ago

Totally wrong. Chokeholds can be a perfectly safe and effective way of restraining someone.

chillinmesoftly

-4 points

12 days ago

AMEN to this.

Kodridge

2 points

12 days ago

So angry about chokeholds. They should be taught by jiu jitsu black belts and officers should get free tuition and be required to train at least 2 times a week.

badillustrations

6 points

12 days ago

Some countries just train officers not to choke people and punish offending officers.

I've never been to a jiu jitsu class that teaches safely choking someone for multiple minutes. If training is required seems like it needs to be very tailored to the job, and very transparent in the purpose (ex. no chokeholds, cops trained not to chokehold).

silverlarch

3 points

12 days ago

I think their meaning was that cops should be trained in methods of restraint that aren't chokeholds.

PinkTrench

7 points

12 days ago

So the multiple minutes thing is the exact sort of thing they'd be taught not to do in a bjj class.

bigfootlives823

3 points

12 days ago

I've never been to a jiu jitsu class that teaches safely choking someone for multiple minutes

Yeah, because they train to choke for the minimum necessary to temporarily incapacitate

omgimbrian

12 points

12 days ago

Even if this isn't as much of an issue with the feds, I feel like this at the very least sets a standard that makes it easier to ban these practices at the local level.

maxToTheJ

1 points

12 days ago

The CBP probably is most likely but usually when they kill someone it gets little press if any. Last I heard they shot some teens for throwing rocks

hornwalker

8 points

12 days ago

hornwalker

Massachusetts

8 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds, when done correctly, are actually one of the safest ways to subdue someone. Its a shame the Justice Department refuses to see that and ban them rather than train them properly.

pitcrane

-8 points

12 days ago

pitcrane

-8 points

12 days ago

Just sucking the joy out of life

CrawlerSiegfriend

297 points

12 days ago

So, the feds will be sending all requests for no-knock raids to local leos going forward.

BulkyHotel9790

88 points

12 days ago

That's exactly what will happen.

ign_Drakina

18 points

12 days ago

Or have a different agency under another department lead it while they tag along.

oyman

-4 points

12 days ago

oyman

-4 points

12 days ago

Wow. What a flex! After the wall-to-wall criming of the last Administration, with everything so broken and the GOP and their corporate masters still pushing as hard as they can, with this impossibly unsustainable level of normalized corruption... For the DOJ to just come out and say stop choking people to death, and maybe even show a little finess when you rob them, what a power move!

Shit, he must be exhausted, do we need to get Garland a chair?

*Edit - spelled it more gud.

ChildCrippler69

-1 points

12 days ago

Ya know, this is one of the first things I've seen on r/politics that I agree with

je97

0 points

12 days ago

je97

0 points

12 days ago

Next up more cities need to follow the federal government's example and ban these things for local cops. It's a great step though.

duck_maverick

191 points

12 days ago

What am I gonna do with all the claymore roombas

spo0om

-3 points

12 days ago

spo0om

-3 points

12 days ago

they had us in the first half, not gonna lie

[deleted]

5 points

12 days ago

[deleted]

5 points

12 days ago

So where's that police reform committee? It was put on hold for legislation that's now dead. So, maybe time to bring that back up for consideration again??

MrUnionJackal

155 points

12 days ago

But remember: both sides blahblahblah!

If you're still pissed local cops aren't being affected by this: VOTE LOCAL!!!

AbsolutelyUnlikely

13 points

12 days ago

But remember: both sides blahblahblah!

Who or what are you addressing here?

dpforest

1 points

12 days ago

dpforest

Georgia

1 points

12 days ago

I can’t read the article now but will this stop the “swatting” nonsense

HauteTater

1 points

12 days ago

This is the US, nothing will stop the nonsense here! /s

Constant-Pay8406

0 points

12 days ago

Building trust and confidence between law enforcement and the public we serve is central to our mission at the Justice Department,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement.

And people claim he has no sense of humor! SMH my head

psychonautHuman

1 points

12 days ago

Here’s looking at you DEA and ATF!

No-Assistance2199

27 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds are the safest way to subdue anyone when done properly.

holdthemayo7

3 points

12 days ago

True

A_Sexual_Tyrannosaur

9 points

12 days ago

You have the research to show that?

yungchow

11 points

12 days ago

yungchow

11 points

12 days ago

Jiujitsu tournaments going back decades. Literally not one single death from chokeholds all while having hundreds of thousands of instances of people going unconscious

A_Sexual_Tyrannosaur

11 points

12 days ago

That does sound like a rather different tactical environment though; how often do jiujitsu competitors reach into a pocket and pull a knofe or gun?

Also, how many of those holds involved bearing full force on to the neck and never relenting?

For controlling a difficult or dangerous person, arm holds and arm locks where you can control their hands, or at least one, apply pain as a control method - quite severely- without risking life, and keep them at a slight distance and ideally off to a side of the controller so that a partner can maintain clear vision and a field of fire is a tactically more sound and safer approach for all involved, I think. Based on controlling dangerous individuals in tactically complicated scenarios, and not controlled contests with rules.

Raxnor

10 points

12 days ago

Raxnor

10 points

12 days ago

The application of force requires the ability to make appropriate decisions.

If chokeholds from police are resulting in deaths, the problem isn't chokeholds, it's police.

oznobz

1 points

12 days ago

oznobz

Nevada

1 points

12 days ago

The positioning required to properly do a chokehold is rare to come across when chasing a suspect. You'll spend more time to get to the proper position which at that point meant that you probably could have subdued them safely using just about any other means.

These aren't wrestling matches.

Kodridge

-4 points

12 days ago

Kodridge

-4 points

12 days ago

Yeah… you’re just wrong.

oznobz

5 points

12 days ago

oznobz

Nevada

5 points

12 days ago

Okie dokie.

disarrange_daily

14 points

12 days ago

Yeah, this is the problem. Chokeholds a non-lethal way of restraining someone. Taking away non-lethal options for law enforcement has the potential to backfire.

Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

14 points

12 days ago

Because things are working so well so far.

Raptorfeet

9 points

12 days ago

Seeing how you can kill someone pretty easily with a chokehold, is it really correct to call them non-lethal?

astrovic0

1 points

12 days ago

astrovic0

1 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds

Police: yay! Chokeholds!!!

are the safest way to subdue anyone when done properly.

Police: what was that last part? Ah, never mind. Yay chokeholds!!!

megaplex00

2 points

12 days ago

megaplex00

Ohio

2 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds are the safest way to subdue anyone when done properly.

Justice Department disagrees bud.

ChickenMcTesticles

5 points

12 days ago

Agree - every LEO should be like a brown belt or higher in jiu jitsu.

Zestay-Taco

0 points

12 days ago

cool. now arrest those who break that rule

HauteTater

0 points

12 days ago

This really should have more upvotes.

TexasGuy1776

4 points

12 days ago

Yeah bc it’s federal officers that were the big problem

GauravGuptaEmpire

29 points

12 days ago

Is the chokeholds thing actually smart? If we want cops to be able to subdue people without using weapons or excessive force, they should be proficient in some kind of martial art like BJJ. A chokehold is a great and effective way to subdue a suspect without using weapons. I think required bjj training and then permission to use chokeholds after you reach a certain-color belt would be a better approach to this.

ChickenMcTesticles

11 points

12 days ago

Totally agree. Cops don't feel confident they can win a fight or subdue a suspect. As a result you see cops using pepper spray, tasers, and drawing guns because they are scared of the suspect.

Ecstatic_Being8277

-8 points

12 days ago

And that will do what with the increasing crime waves?

Viat0r

5 points

12 days ago*

Viat0r

5 points

12 days ago*

If you can point to any research which shows that chokeholds and no-knock raids reduce crime, that would be great.

SomeGuyNamedPaul

1 points

12 days ago

SomeGuyNamedPaul

Florida

1 points

12 days ago

Don't worry, this will be immediately reversed by the next Republican administration.

mustangbeachlife

2 points

12 days ago

Can they ban shooting people’s dogs too

QueenCityCartel

-3 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds, sure, that's mostly an unnecessary form of restraint. No-knock raids are probably a necessity. Maybe I'm tainted by Hollywood but I wouldn't want to alert the guy who has a 14 year old locked in his dungeon that the police are here to investigate.

medicalseeds

2 points

12 days ago

Do state officers too

goatqualify

1 points

12 days ago

That needs to be extended to the local levels as well.

gfh67lgf

1 points

12 days ago

The Marshalls Service has a fugitive apprehension unit. They find dudes who have skipped bail (or escaped federal prison).

I know a Marshall who does this. They typically find the dude (Facebook is not your friend if you are on the run) then crash in at 430 am. No warrant needed, ever. They have breached a court order.

So, is this practice now outlawed? Because they go after some pretty bad hombres and these 430 am raids usually go really smooth.

yungchow

-11 points

12 days ago

yungchow

-11 points

12 days ago

Chokeholds are honestly not dangerous provided you have adequate training and you’re not a sadistic piece of shit. But instead of encouraging better cops we ban the most effective tool for safe apprehension

breaddrinker

1 points

12 days ago

There's that problem with state and federal divide again..

Generally the cops are the problem, not the feds. The Feds are better trained. Not a step above mall security with a itch to scratch.

Wyatt084

-5 points

12 days ago

Wyatt084

-5 points

12 days ago

Sooo police can’t do anything to violent people now can they? Y’all don’t want to be safe do you

BriefausdemGeist

3 points

12 days ago

BriefausdemGeist

Maine

3 points

12 days ago

Unless this is codified, odds are they’ll be back soon unfortunately

xyphanite

0 points

12 days ago

I read "Justice department bans cuckholds ...."
I think I've been on the internet too much recently

AgentAncient

0 points

12 days ago

AgentAncient

America

0 points

12 days ago

Should be all “Peace Officers” not just the feds

maroger

-1 points

12 days ago

maroger

-1 points

12 days ago

So now police abuse will be localized. Want to nationally require vaccines for public safety but police abuse, can't do nothin'.

MartialBob

24 points

12 days ago

The irony on the choke hold is that if cops actually knew how to do it properly people would probably prefer it as a means to subdue someone.

jert3

-1 points

12 days ago

jert3

-1 points

12 days ago

Will a ban stop the police from doing it though? They are often quick to strangle someone, especially unarmed black people.

Rotoslinger_art

1 points

12 days ago

Dag nabbit, I thought it was going to say for all police officers. I understand that is not how federal vs state policies work but still.... I guess I was just too optimistic. Sigh.

piggott291

3 points

12 days ago

Now do it at the state level

crazyblane

-3 points

12 days ago

crazyblane

-3 points

12 days ago

Banning no-knock raids is great but banning chokeholds is a horrible idea. Kneeling on a person's neck for 10 minutes is not a chokehold. That's excessive force/murder and the police that killed George Floyd are being punished accordingly. A properly applied rear naked choke takes less than 10 seconds to render an opponent unconscious, with no long term damage or adverse affects. Without that tool, police are going to be beating people with their batons to get them into handcuffs, or worse...

RedditorRedditor261

-1 points

12 days ago

Criminals: I see this as an absolute win

roqu

0 points

12 days ago

roqu

0 points

12 days ago

Seems dumb, is there an issue with choke hold deaths?

jeromeface

1 points

12 days ago

And it only took months of protests to do so.... good job america /s

Odorobojing

2 points

12 days ago

Cool, now do civil asset forfeiture and maybe investigate the federal agents who murdered a man without letting him surrender?

Moosie_Doom

24 points

12 days ago

The carotid restraint/vascular hold/sleeper hold, whatever you call it, is not a chokehold. Done correctly, it does not impede breathing. By restricting the arteries in the neck, it temporarily cuts off the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain, causing the suspect to pass out. The move is trained and officers are certified in it.

It is generally considered a far less dangerous alternative to shooting someone or getting in a knockdown, drag out fight.

crazyblane

14 points

12 days ago

Yep, and now they are going to rely on beating people over the head with batons to subdue them. This is a bad idea....

Kel4597

5 points

12 days ago

Kel4597

5 points

12 days ago

Oh hey, someone who realizes that policies like this actually increase the use of force officers need to use to subdue suspects

SpitefulSoul

0 points

12 days ago

This sounds like a not good thing, but also a good thing

Cannonbaal

2 points

12 days ago

This feels like a win, is there anyone that’s gonna burst my bubble and tell me how this isn’t a win?

Unabled_The_Disabled

1 points

12 days ago

“Federal officer”

wnagy

1 points

12 days ago

wnagy

1 points

12 days ago

How loud does the knock have to be?

findaloni

-1 points

12 days ago

No knock ban is very good banning choke holds is kinda dumb just train them how to actually do it

Unicorn_Sparkle_Butt

2 points

12 days ago

... and any group accepting federal money and things??

Difficult_Citizen

2 points

12 days ago

Difficult_Citizen

Oregon

2 points

12 days ago

That's nice and all but....federal officers aren't usually the problem.

Swimming_Spot2142

-2 points

12 days ago

I do believe no knock raids are justified only in certain instances for the most violent offenses but do not allow chokeholds is a dumb decision to anyone that’s ever been choked out realizes it’s probably one of the most peaceful ways to detain someone if done properly but the key term is properly you can’t be doing neck cranks on everyone who has a small possession charge but to totally ban them is stupid in my opinion

sturmblast

2 points

12 days ago

If we could trust officers to follow training none of this would be necessary.

sturmblast

1 points

12 days ago

About goddamn time.

Its_Ba

-1 points

12 days ago

Its_Ba

-1 points

12 days ago

They banned em cause theyre comin...

chillinmesoftly

-2 points

12 days ago

I'm torn about the use of chokeholds. If you train someone right, a chokehold is one of the best tools to subdue an opponent/perp without actually inflicting damage. The person goes to sleep, and there is no head trauma, bleeding or long term injury. Without chokeholds, a cop would need to rely on weapons more and increase the likelihood of shooting or larger injuries.

The issue is in getting the right training and maintenance on the training. Marietta GA made jiu jitsu compulsory for it's police force and drastically lowered incidences of injuries to both cops and perps. I wish this was the kind of problem solving people thought about more.

420blazeit69nubz

2 points

12 days ago

There should be NO no knock raids anywhere. What the fuck kind of shit is that? The cops and judges aren’t smart enough and don’t care enough to be trusted doing shit like that. How are you even suppose to know it’s a cop and not someone robbing you but screaming out police before busting in at 4am?

protosser

2 points

12 days ago

Republicans: Well this is just bullshit I tell ya, its like nazi Germany

ItsAJAgain

1 points

12 days ago

Listen this is all well and good, but haven't most issues come from state/county troopers

Slaw901

1 points

12 days ago

Slaw901

1 points

12 days ago

So now Feds are simply gonna use locals for raids

Epistatious

2 points

12 days ago

I mean you know they don't care about people, but at some point the lawsuits get expensive for all those wrongful deaths.

iansynd

2 points

12 days ago

iansynd

2 points

12 days ago

They just now had to ban illegal raids and murdering people?

Sandite

120 points

12 days ago

Sandite

Oklahoma

120 points

12 days ago

How about banning what happened in Portland with the no-name militia feds that showed up, shoving people into unmarked vans?

_Redshifted_

14 points

12 days ago

Wife and dog shooting still ok 👌